After lobbying for Toto to be on the podcast, we dive into whether or not rock climbers compete about elevation gain on climbs. Doug may sign up for a race and Mathias is hoping for a European adventure race. We then discuss the short trail running film, Snow Going on the PCT. We end on shoe talk, which makes sense since this is a trail running podcast.

Links:

• Mammut’s climbing tracker
• Snow going on the PCT
• Doug might run a Teton Mountain Run race
• Mathias might influence himself into running UTMR
• Take that avalanche class, people, just do it.